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Hyundai-Kia Engine Recall

Mark: Hi, it's Mark from Top Local. We're here with Bernie Pawlik, Pawlik Automotive in Vancouver, and we're talking cars. How are you doing today, Bernie?

Bernie: Doing very well this morning.

Mark: So Hyundai and Kia, we spoken about this before, they have a pretty massive engine recall in, I probably bet it's worldwide, but I know for sure it's North America and CBC Go Public show just did a big program about this, talking about Hyundai and Kias engine problems. Do you have any new thoughts about this situation based on the program?

Bernie: Well, it's obvious that Hyundai and Kia are not doing a very good job of satisfying their customers because now of course, there's a huge, Go Public show and their class action lawsuits are in full force. So there's a definite problem, huge. And a lot of unsatisfied customers.

Mark: So the gentleman that was in the program, featured early in the program was, basically had his engine fail, was not aware that there was a recall, the repair shop that he went to offered him a used engine to be put in and after paying for it out of pocket and getting the new engine in, which was not cheap, then that engine failed. And Hyundai, now that there's a recall, says they're not paying for anything. So what do you think about that?

Bernie: Well, I think for the owner of that vehicle, it's a horrible situation overall and it's too bad he didn't know about the recall and I think Hyundai must've done him a big disservice not informing him that there was a recall. I mean, I just find that just incredibly slimy and why people hate dealerships and why it's probably actually good for my world, being in the independent auto repair shop business. But I do have to say that, you know, for this owner, he made a choice based on finances, you know, that a used engine would be a better option financially, but I would never put a used engine in a vehicle that has a recall or a problematic engine. Like I'm always very cautious when we put used engines in vehicles to find out what, what's the track record of the engine.

Recently we had a Toyota Echo, we did an engine job on. Toyota Echo nothing ever goes wrong with those engines. This vehicle had about, you know, 350,000 kilometres. The owner loves the vehicle. The engine wore out. We've got a nice low mileage engine. To me, that's a good deal, but when you get something like a Kia, which has a reputation, Kia or Hyundai with a reputation recall, you know, on an engine that that blows up, well that shop should never even given that customer the option, said, look, you know, we don't want to do this because it's too risky. You know, short of dismantling the engine may be looking at it, but then by the time you do that, the economics of changing the used engine are a kind of out the window. So, I mean, unfortunately that's the choice he made and unfortunately Hyundai is not stepping up to the plate because they really should, maybe not compensate him for the used engine because they never sold that to him. But at least, you know, get him a proper engine in his car that should have been done in the first place.

Mark: So what about Hyundais claim? They've come back and why they, they're denying his recall, paying for the first engine essentially because he didn't do proper oil changes. Or could not prove he'd done his, possibly he did his own oil changes. What do you think about that?

Bernie: Well I would say under a warranty situation, you know, covered by the vehicles warranty. You know, they have every right to demand the oil changes are done properly with the proper oils at the proper intervals. I mean, that's proper maintenance on the vehicle. It's not just about dealerships or the auto repair industry, you know, trying to get money out of people. I mean, it's a machine. It needs proper maintenance. So, you know, to me that's a pretty, that's a very legitimate thing to claim.

But this is a recall. This is a different situation. It's a known manufacturing defect. And I would think that they don't actually have the right to demand that. I don't know, I'm not a lawyer. I tried looking up some details on it. I wasn't able to find anything, but, so don't quote me on it, but I think, you know, this is why there's a class action lawsuit because they're obviously not satisfying their customers in ways that they could be.

And doing things like this is just, I mean, will this guy ever buy another Kia our Hyundai product? No. Will he ever tell anyone to buy one? No. So, I mean, they're just wrecking their own reputation along the way.

But I can't say enough of how important it is, we've talked a lot on our program about how important it is to change your oil at regular intervals. Hyundai claims, you know, every 12,000 kilometres, which to me is probably at the very edge of the limit of how often you want to change oil in a car like that because leaving it too long, just starts causing engine damage. But again, in this case, it's a recall for a known manufacturing defect. So I think it's a different situation.

Mark: So what about the slow delivery of the recall notice?

Bernie: I don't know what to say. I mean, that's just, you know, again, it's just foot dragging and really bad customer service. I haven't actually listened to the article. I've only read the transcript of it and they have quotes. I mean, you know, from someone who says they just don't care, you know, it's really, the truth is they just don't care is what I, is what I get out of it.

Mark: So they also speak about a couple with a 2013 Kia that had a similar engine explosion essentially, destroying the engine, but it's not covered by a recall because the engine is different and Kia claims that it doesn't have the same issue. And yet it actually responded the same way as the later engines are destroying themselves? What's that all about?

Bernie: Well, I think there's millions and millions of dollars at stake here, and I think they just want to you know, cover themselves, not pay any more money than they have to. So, you know, they've identified some as being problematic and I guess they found others that supposedly aren't. But again, when something like this happens and if it happens to enough vehicles with that same engine, perhaps they haven't cast the net wide enough, to actually bring in the problematic engine. So I can't say for sure. I mean, it could be for those people, it could be a one off issue. I mean, engines do have bearing wear and throw rods, and you know, it's possible. It doesn't say anything about their maintenance. I don't want to, I don't want to say anything. They've been very excellent maintenance customers and occasionally, something bad will happen.

But if this is starting to happen on these other engines, of course there should be a recall on that too, because the problem is wider than they think. But you know, auto manufacturers, I mean, we've just seen it with Volkswagen with diesel gate and the things that they did to cover up what they were doing, or even the Ford Pinto. I mean, apparently that fix for the Ford Pinto was a $3 metal ring around the gas tank filler. And yet, you know, when they were manufacturing, they actually knew it. They didn't do it. I mean, think like human lives. People died and they just, and people said, nah, it's three bucks, too much money over a million cars. So these are the kinds of people we're dealing with sometimes.

Mark: And the actuarial decisions of a few lawsuits is cheaper than us actually fixing everything. So one of the things they mentioned in the article and that we talked about before was that there might be a metal filings leftover from the manufacturing process in the engines, and that's what's causing these failures. What do you think happens with these engines that they fail so frequently?

Bernie: I actually haven't seen one or taken on a part you know, so I haven't seen it first hand, but there seems to be basically three recalls with Hyundai, three issues, major issues that are going on. And one of them is, you know, these engines just starting to knock suddenly and then basically blowing apart. They throw a rod, the connecting rod in the engine of the bearing wears out and it basically throws the rod through the side of the engine. That's what the hole is all about.

So anyways, the claim is some metal filings or some material were left behind in the manufacturing process and that gets into the bearings. I mean, these are very precision fit parts and it gets into the bearings, wears them out. It actually surprises me that they last as long as they do, if that's the case. That seems to be the main issue. But there seems to be a couple of other recall issues. There's an issue of a sudden fires occurring in some of them. And I believe there's two issues at hand here with those. One of them is oil leaks that occur and they happen right sort of over top of the hot exhaust system and that can cause a fire. So that's one issue.

And then the other, so that's not the same as this recall's being talked about here. But the other issue there's sudden engine fires that are caused by a fuel leak. And these are claimed to have happened after the engine recalls been done. And what is likely happening is that there's a high pressure fuel on these use a direct fuel injection system. The fuel pressure is extremely high. It's in the, you know I'm going to say 10 to 20,000 PSI range. So this is a huge high pressure fuel system, and the slightest amount of leakage, especially under high pressure, can cause a fuel to combust. So that's a, that's an issue. I think that there's a fuel line a lot of times when you do a service on vehicles with a direct fuel injection there's certain lines that are supposed to be replaced because they're just a one time use. They can't be torqued down properly again or be reliable. So I believe what's happening is they don't replace the line and then that causes a leak. So that's sort of the third recall. And again, they're not applicable to all the vehicles, but those kind of the three things that Hyundai and Kia are playing with right now.

Mark: I bet they can't wait for electric vehicles to come along soon enough. What are your final thoughts about this whole engine recalls situation, which applies to all manufacturers, in fact?

Bernie: Yeah, I mean, it's just a sign of, it's just poorly handled situation and like you're saying, the actuary, you know, there someone looks at and goes, well, it's cheaper for us to do this. And you know well, I've just seen it over the years. So many things. I mean, I'm surprised sometimes at Ford's still in business with, you know, some of the engines they built them and they built some good cars and they built some real garbage. And they seem to have somehow just survived, you know, some way. But, you know, my final thought is, you know, this is really bad, you know, bad PR for Hyundai and Kia. Bad customer care and you know, you pay for it in the end. If you take care of your customers, they'll come back. If you don't, they'll go elsewhere. There's lots of competition in the car world, so people will be going elsewhere.

Mark: So there you go. If you've got issues with your Hyundai or Kia in Vancouver, the guys to see are Pawlik Automotive. They'll look after you. They'll give you the honest truth, and they'll fix your vehicle and do it properly. You can reach them at (604) 327-7112 to book your appointment. You have to call and book ahead. They're always busy. Check out their website, pawlikautomotive.com there's hundreds, over 600 articles on there, about all makes and models and types of repairs. Over 300 videos on our YouTube channel, Pawlik Auto Repair. Check it out, and of course, we really appreciate you watching the podcasts, listening to the videos, watching the videos. Leave us a thumbs up or leave us a good review on iTunes. We really appreciate it. Thanks, Bernie.

Bernie: Thanks, Mark. Thanks for watching, listening. We really appreciate it.

2007 Kia Rio Clutch Replacement

Mark: Mark Bossert, producer of the Pawlik Automotive Podcast, here with Mr. Bernie Pawlik, and we're talking cars. How are you this morning, Bernie?

Bernie: Doing very well.

Mark: A 2007 Kia Rio that was having a increasingly rare thing, a clutch problem. What was going on with this Kia?

Bernie: Well, the owner brought the vehicle to our shop with a clutch making a lot of noise and not functioning very well, so we proceeded to do some work on it.

Mark: And what did you find?

Bernie: Well, this is interesting, what we found. Just a little background. The way our shop's laid out, we often don't have parking out in front of the shop, so the owner of the vehicle drove the car to our shop. We parked it out back in our parking area out back and left it there for a day or so before we could work on it. Went into the vehicle to start it up and move it around into the shop, and pressed the clutch pedal. It made a big loud banging noise, and the engine wouldn't even turn over. It just made a click. So we went, "Huh, that's interesting."

Anyways, we had to actually have the vehicle towed around, because it's out on a road. Had it towed into the shop, and pulled it apart. Figured something catastrophic obviously happened to the clutch, something broke. What we found is the actual clutch release ... the clutch was so badly worn it basically jammed up and wouldn't allow the engine to turn over.

Mark: Wouldn't the clutch have been making some kind of loud noises or in some other indication that there was a problem before it sort of had this catastrophic failure?

Bernie: Absolutely. It would have been making noise for quite some time, I would think, prior to it wearing so badly. Some people's tolerance for noises and issues seem to be larger, if that's the right word, than others. Some people wait a little longer and don't quite take up the signs. Some people, it's like the first little minute noise, it's like, "I gotta get it fixed." Other people, it's like they wait till things break. As I say, the owner of this vehicle actually was able to drive it to the shop, so they waited to just about the very last minute. And I've had this happen a few times on cars, where something's making a noise. Just drive it into the shop, and all of a sudden the part actually falls apart. So sometimes people's timing is pretty impeccable.

Mark: As a result of the clutch being this worn, were there other further repairs required?

Bernie: Yeah. Well, let's go and look at some pictures, because this is interesting. I always love showing pictures of these kind of things.

Here's our '07 Kia Rio, nice little economy car. This is after the clutch was fixed, not that it looks any different on the outside. Let's have a look at some pictures of the clutch. This is what we found when we took the transmission out. 

This is the clutch release fork, and this fork is supposed to sit behind this part here, that's the clutch release bearing. There's the face of the clutch release bearing that actually rubs on the pressure plate. 

If you look down here, you can actually see a few little ball bearings. You can see some chunks of metal here. This bearing is basically completely broken apart. This fork has jumped out of place, and what happened is, at that moment where we pushed the clutch pedal down, basically the fork just broke off and ran right into the clutch pressure plate, which is turned by engine, and jammed everything up.

Here's a view of the pressure plate. That horribly scored surface there should not look like that at all. When everything's in good order, it should just look more like this area here. This has been scored extremely badly from the bearing basically being seized. We're talking about would it have been making noise? Yes, a horrific noise for probably quite a long time. What else have we got here? There's the fork after we kind of fiddled with it a bit. It's basically just, again, broken apart a little more. Again, all these ball bearings, they're supposed to sit inside a cage inside this surface here, so you can see it's all come apart pretty badly.

Other damage, this is the shaft. This is called the collar. It's on the transmission. This is where the clutch release bearing slides. You can see some pretty deep gouges here. This is pretty severe damage. Fortunately, we were able to repair it, but had we not been able to, and sometimes it happens, we would have had to replace the transmission. A lot of older American vehicles, this collar was a bolted-on piece, so you'd sort of bolt on here and you could replace it. But on most newer type of transmission transaxles, this collar's all part of the transmission housing, so if it's damaged you replace the whole transmission.

Mark: Manual transmissions are becoming a bit of a dying breed of way of shifting an engine's transmission.

Bernie: Sorry?

Mark: They're sort of, they're disappearing. They're not made very often anymore.

Bernie: No, they're not. They're certainly a lot less common.

Mark: This is a front wheel drive car?

Bernie: It's a front wheel drive, yeah.

Mark: So is that fairly tricky to pull out of the car?

Bernie: This one's a bit of work. You have to remove the subframe in this vehicle, so it's a little more involved than a lot of other transmission jobs. Some are easier than others. I mean, the easiest transmissions are your older American vehicles. Trucks, often they're very easy to remove the transmission. But as time as gone by, we do so many of them, they just become commonplace, and you don't ... It's more labor-intensive than, say, a traditional rear wheel drive vehicle.

Mark: With all the noise and indication, was there anything that the car owner could do to prevent this type of clutch wear and tear?

Bernie: No. I mean, the thing about the clutch release bearing is, it's just going to wear out when it wears out. It's a lubricated and sealed part, and at some point it will wear out. The thing with clutches is you never know which piece is going to go first. The most common wear item is the clutch disk, which is the friction disk, and you'll notice that's worn out, because when you go up a hill, all of a sudden the vehicle will slip. The engine will rev, but the vehicle won't move. That's sort of the most common problem. The bearing, as I say, it's a sealed bearing, so it'll wear out whenever it chooses to. You've just got to keep your ears open for noise, and when it starts making noise ... and you hear the noise as soon as you put your foot on the clutch, there'll be a grinding noise or just a louder noise than usual. If you hear any noise when you push the clutch pedal, there's something wrong, probably the release bearing is on its way out.

In the case of this vehicle, the extra repairs we needed to do was on that collar, and also the release fork got badly damaged. Sometimes forks need to be replaced anyhow, and it's not a very expensive part, but that was an extra piece that would not have needed to be replaced had this bearing not worn out so badly.

Mark: Now, I'm going to make a big leap here and just say that, do you think they were drag racing this car, because isn't this sort of a drag racing kind of issue that you could see?

Bernie: No, this is just a wear and tear issue. If you were racing the car a lot, yeah, you'd wear these parts out faster, but probably the disk would go more frequently. Really, I mean the reason everything's damaged is because it was left too long making noise. I know a month or two ago, we did a podcast on a Honda Element with a really badly worn release bearing. If you look back at that podcast, that bearing was one stage before this one. It was like, had the owner driven for another few days to a week, that would have busted apart just like this one. Listen for noises. When you hear them, get it fixed as soon as possible.

Mark: Kia Rios are a pretty basic economy car. How are they for reliability?

Bernie: Yeah, they're good. Yeah, it's a decent, reliable car, for sure. There's nothing really that leaps out at me that's problematic or a common failure item on them. They're a pretty good car overall. You know, sometimes I think economy car, it's going to have cheaper parts, so it's not going to last as long, as opposed to a more expensive car, but really I think what you pay for often ... I mean, you do get better quality in some ways when you buy a more expensive car, but a lot of times it's more of the features and the ride that you get in the car, not necessarily the reliability. The economy car just doesn't ride as smoothly, and the doors are tinnier, and that kind of thing, but to get from A to B, still works the same way.

Mark: So there you go. If you need service for your Kia in Vancouver, the guys to see are Pawlik Automotive. You can reach them at 604-327-7112 to book your appointment. Have to book ahead, they're busy. Or check out their website, pawlikautomotive.com. YouTube, hundreds of videos. Search for Pawlik Auto Repair. Repairs of all makes and models of cars over the last five years. Or, hope you're enjoying the podcasts, and thank you very much for listening. Thanks, Bernie.

Bernie: Thanks, Mark.

2003 Kia Sedona Check Engine Lamp

Mark: Hi it’s Mark from Top Local, we’re here with Bernie Pawlik, Pawlik Automotive in Vancouver, Vancouver’s best auto service experience, 17 time winners of Best Auto Repair in Vancouver as voted by their customers. How’re you doing Bernie?

Bernie: Doing very well, actually I have a correction Mark, actually 18 time winners now, we just won the Georgia Straight Best of Vancouver for 2017

Mark: So I’m corrected, stand me amazed, 18 time winners now

Bernie: Yeah, so very fortunate and thank you to everyone who voted for us, we really appreciate it. So I’m doing very well this morning.

Mark: Great. So we’re going to talk about a Kia Sedona, a 2003, a little bit long in the tooth, there was a check engine lamp problem, what was going on with this vehicle?

Bernie: So the vehicle came to us, it had a check engine light that was on intermittently, sometimes it would come on and go off but beneath it all the engine had a slight rough running condition at idle that the owner was concerned about.

Mark: So how badly was it running?

Bernie: Well not really badly, I mean as far as how bad engines can run, it wasn’t too bad, like a full, sort of really rough misfire the engine would shake quite severely. This one, we went out for a very long drive together, you know some of the times it would shake and some of the times it wouldn’t and it would only really happen at idle. The rest of the time driving it wasn’t really noticeable.

Mark: So what kind of system did you follow to find what was going on?

Bernie: Well so any time when there is a check engine light or any rough engine type of thing, any engine issue, first thing we do it plug the scan tool in and the scan tool is basically a computer that talks to the car computer. We looked at it and the first thing we found was a code, P0306, which means a cylinder misfire. So it gives us a pathway to follow and an area where the vehicle’s computer has picked up a problem. So first thing we do is go to number 6 cylinder, inspect things like the ignition coil, the spark plugs, fuel injectors, is there compression in that cylinder. Now these are the things we look for and these are the things that can cause problems, so these are the ares we look at.

Mark: So and what did you find?

Bernie: What we found was interesting, number 6 spark plug had a crack in the porcelain insulator causing it to misfire sometimes and having worked on cars for years and years, I mean I’ve seen that happen before. Once we found the issue, of course that’s what it is, it’s one of these things that won’t cause a full on misfire like a completely dead spark plug or a coil but it’ll cause a misfire sometimes because the spark is supposed to go down from the ignition coil through the spark plug into the cylinder and it doesn’t always make it, it sometimes get grounded out. So I’m going to share a couple of pictures here. Here’s our 2003 Kia Sedona, still in good shape for the age of the vehicle. Here’s our spark plug. Now we actually wiped off the carbon track that was on there, what happens is it gets a carbon track and if you look closely, you see the red arrow, if you look down here you can see a little tiny crack, a little bit of blackness, that’s some of the carbon track that was present and basically what’s happening was the spark from the ignition coil goes to this piece here and down through, this insulates the spark plug and goes down and basically fires a spark right down here. But if there’s a crack here, the electrical energy won’t make it all the way down so it goes down this crack and grounds out so the engine at certain times won’t receive that spark that it’s supposed to receive. Now we’ll go to the other view, so here’s the ignition coil, there’s the spark plug view again and this is kind of how it all sits. The ignition coil sits on top of the spark plug and this is buried deep down inside the cylinder. There’s our picture show for the day.

Mark: So how did the van run after the repairs?

Bernie: Really well, nice and smooth, perfect.

Mark: So this is a fairly old vehicle, how are Kia Sedona’s?

Bernie: Pretty good. We’ve actually serviced this vehicle for many years with the client. We don’t see a lot of them and I don’t think they really sold a whole lot of them back in 2003. It wasn’t as popular of a van as it is now a days. I’d say they’re pretty good vehicles. The only thing that I noticed with this vehicle that’s really wrong at this point, is after it idles for a quite awhile it starts burning some blue smoke and that’s kind of typical of some engines as they age, they just can’t seal the oil out properly, it uses oil and it’s got nearly 200 thousand kilometres, so I guess it’s not a bad thing but certainly like Toyota’s don’t have that problem. What I’ve noticed all along in servicing this vehicle, it seems to have a few more problems than you’d get out of say a Toyota Sienna van so you pay a lot less money to buy the vehicle but you’re going to have a few more repairs and that’s probably the way Kia’s will go, even new ones compared to say Toyota’s or the more expensive Japanese brands.

Mark: So there you go, if you have a Kia in Vancouver the guys to see are Pawlik Automotive. You can reach them at 604-327-7112 to book your appointment or check out our website pawlikautomotive.com or our YouTube channel Pawlik Automotive Repair. Thanks Bernie

Bernie: Thanks Mark.

How Reliable Is The Kia Optima?

 

Mark: Hi it’s Mark from Top Local, we’re here with Bernie Pawlik, Pawlik Automotive in Vancouver, Vancouver’s best auto service experience, 17 time winners of Best Auto Repair in Vancouver as voted by their customers. How’re you doing Bernie?

Bernie: I’m doing very well

Mark: So we’re going to talk about Kia Optima today and how reliable, this is a fairly popular car recently, priced very affordably, how reliable is it?

Bernie: Well I’d say it’s fair. They have some significant problems in certain model years, They’ve been around since 2000 which is quite a while, and I would say that for the first decade it wasn’t a super popular car. In Canada it was sold as a Kia Magentis. Not a bad looking car throughout it’s time but not quite as reliable as you’d expect as with a Toyota Camry or the other competitive sized cars.

Mark: So Kia has had some major engine issues, so what can you tell us about that?

Bernie: So this is probably the biggest sort of stain on this car. So from 2011 to 2014 a lot of  major engine failures, Hyundai uses the same engine in their Sonata and some other models. Major recalls, so the good news is if you have one of these cars, the engines generally fail and it’s covered by a recall. There’s a law suit from 2015 to 2016 on the Kia Sonata engines as well, I don’t know so much of the details of that but I think it’s a similar problem to the 2011 and 2014. So what happened in the manufacturing process, somehow they left metal behind inside the engine which is obviously not a good thing, somewhere in the crankshaft from what I’ve read, I’ve never actually taken apart and looked at it, but somewhere in the crankshaft journals, in the bottom of the engine in the machining process, metal bits got left behind and so eventually grinds the engine bearings and causes the engine to seize. A pretty catastrophic failure and apparently it can happen very quickly so there’s a bit of a safety concern as well which is probably why there’s a recall, because usually recalls are not for problems, they’re for safety type of issues. So anyways the good news is it’s a recall covered item so if you happen to have one of these cars and you haven’t had a recall notice, look out for it. If you happen to be buying a used car, make sure the recall has been done, or you do your research before hand because the last thing you wan is to have the car break down on you. But that’s kind of the major engine issue. Otherwise there’s really very few problems with the engines, they’re all good. Over the years there’s been a variety of different engine offerings, up to 2010 you could get a V6 engine as well which is a fairly reliable engine, no problems with that. The 4 cylinders are good, all newer like the 2011 and up models are 4 cylinder, you can get them with hybrids in some years, some are turbo charged, others are just regularly naturally aspirated engines.

Mark: Do you have any pictures?

Bernie: Yeah, I’ve got a couple. this is a fairly new model, sorry I’ll just enlarge this. I’m not actually sure what model year this is, probably a 2016, 2017, fairly new. Very nice looking car and also a view of a cockpit to a 2017 Optima Hybrid which is really, I mean look at this, it’s a really nice car. I’d say Kia is bottom end cars and so this is what you get at the bottom end which is pretty awesome. I was in Colorado recently and I rented an Optima, just a regular - I’m back - just a regular Optima and it was an awesome car, good gas mileage about 30 miles per gallon which I think is really good for a sort of mid sized car, fantastic gas mileage, everything about the car drove fine. I have zero complaints. You can go barreling down the highway at 80 miles an hour, it’s really comfortable, smooth, no problems at all so it’s a really nice car. Yeah so that’s a bit about the car, so what else are we going to talk about here?

Mark: Well, how’s the rest of the car? How are the brakes?

Bernie: Brakes are good, we don’t see any issues with brakes. It’s your typical sedan you’ll probably get 30 to 50 thousand miles, 50 to 80 thousand kilometres out of a set of brakes, front or back, that’s kind of you know an average kind of expectation on these cars. So nothing abnormal, they don’t wear out prematurely and don’t seem to have a lot of problems.

Mark: Drivetrain?

Bernie: Good, the only complaint I’d have, we had a client with a Magentis, it was sort of mid 2000’s, the engine mounts wore out so there was a lot of vibration and shaking in the car but that seemed a little, in my opinion, premature, it was a few years ago. Other than that the transmissions, we don’t see a lot of problems with them, they’re really good but I think being, when you make a car that’s cheaper, there’s got to be something that makes it cheaper and I think some of the engine mounts, suspension, bushings and things are probably made a little bit on the cheaper side.

Mark: How about steering and suspension?

Bernie: No real problems with those either. I do read a fair bit about cars and there are some complaints about the steering poles in these cars and nothing we’ve experienced ourselves and I don’t think it’s anything really major, it’s maybe a tire issue but other than that I mean, there’s no real, there’s nothing really glaringly bad about the steering or suspension that wears out. The shocks and struts seem to last a sort of normal amount of time as well. So normal meaning, you know 10 year old Kia’s seem to be in pretty good shape still.

Mark: Sure, and electronics are a big part of all cars, any issues in that line?

Bernie: Nothing that we’ve seen in particular, everything seems to be, you know again on average, there’s nothing, every Kia that comes in, Optima comes in has this particular problem, they’re pretty decent. There’s not really a lot of glaring electronic problems or computer problems with the cars.

Mark: So overall, how would you rate the Kia Optima?

Bernie: Well, saying from a new car, it’s quite a nice vehicle, you could, you know you can drive it, it’s a beautiful car as time goes by, not sure how it’s going to age based on the older ones we work on. I’d say they’re just a fair car, they tend to get old quickly and I kind of fear that a lot of the newer ones will probably go the same way. When the car is ten years old, it’ll seem a lot older than perhaps some European cars or higher end, like Japanese, Camry’s or Lexus. But would I buy one, you know, I’d consider it.

Mark: So there you go. If you have a Kia in Vancouver and you need service for it bring it to Pawlik Automotive, they’ll look after you, they’re mild fans of the car and they work on lots of them. You can reach them at 604-327-7112 to book an appointment, you have to book ahead, they’re busy or check out their website pawlikautomotive.com. Thanks Bernie

Bernie: Thanks Mark

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